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Episode 29: Bear Mountain

May 8, 2011

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The NorthFace Endurance Challenge was held at Bear Mountain this week-end — with races from a 5K to a 50-miler — and our guest Todd, whose blog is TrailTodd, ran the 50K and reported on it, as did Amy, who captained an aid station on the 50-mile course. The reviews are very good:

    • The courses are BRUTAL.
    • The course-management is EXCELLENT.

Something to think about next year. As a bonus, Todd, of the Orange (County) Runners, clued us in on the various trails on the western side of the Hudson. These are not the smooth things we have on this side. If one wants a challenge, consider heading up to Harriman State Park. Amy said it took under an hour to get there from upper Manhattan, and a beautiful ride it was. You can get information from the New York New Jersey Trail Conference. Also, @palisadespark tweeted me with the website for the many many parks along the west side of the Hudson in both New York and New Jersey. (Here’s a virtual tour of Bear Mountain.)

Steve reported on another well-run race, the Newport 10K, and Frank reported on his Norwalk Mother’s Day 10K.

Joe mentioned two events held in conjunction with the Loucks Games in White Plains.

    • Master’s Mile: Thursday night at 7:30. It’s a new Mondo track. A chance to run a track mile.
    • Road 5K: Saturday at 8am: Nice flat course with a downhill-to-the-track finish.

Steve chimed in about the Forest Park 4-Miler in Queens on Sunday, May 15.

Episode 28: Store-Sponsored Training

May 2, 2011

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Tavia spoke earlier about her experience with Paragon Sports’s weekly training sessions, and she reported this week on what other NYC stores do. She then sent links to the various stores where you can get information:

Races:

Episode 27: Race Etiquette

April 18, 2011

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The issue: How is one to behave in a race? Steve stepped in as host and was joined by Amy, Brenn, and Karla. Bottom line: just use your head and be considerate. (Do we really have to tell people to make sure no one is in the line-of-flight when they spit?) If you’re wondering, this is the show for you.

Amy mentioned a Facebook thread. Here it is

Joe GarlandNew York Road Runners (NYRR)
A thread got going on aspects of race etiquette and we’re going to do a show on it. But what are your pet peeves about racing? The person who just stops in the middle of the course? The guys using the race as a workout and chatting the whole time? The gal who knocks down 5 cups when she’s trying to get 1? The person who cuts every corner? Not gripes about NYRR. Gripes about our fellow runners.
April 13 at 2:06pm · ·

    • Dahlia YoeliHaving to avoid crashing into people who stop suddenly or dodge walkers in the middle of the course is annoying, but bearable. My biggest pet peeve is when people don’t look before spitting or don’t go off to the side – I almost got spit on and it’s incredibly disgusting.

      April 13 at 2:19pm · · 5 peopleLoading…
    • Amy Lynn ShapiroPeople in the wrong corral. If you are wearing a brown bib and want to run with your friend wearing a green one, they need to run in your corral,

      April 13 at 2:25pm · · 7 peopleLoading…
    • Douglas J DuncanSince i am a relatively new runner, and probably make some etiquette mistakes myself, i am fairly forgiving. I could have done without the overwhelming stench of perfume from the woman running in front of me at the Scotland Run this past weekend though. I mean, did she have a hot date after the morning race?

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    • Janet Gottlieb

      I disagree with Dahlia, because I’m not sure it’s “bearable” to come close to crashing into the back of what’s sometimes a several-runners-across group which has decided to take their walking break
      Several-runners-across groups preventing ot…hers from passing, particularly where the running lane is narrower, usually chatting or in headphones and therefore oblivious to the impediment they’re creating.
      Others include the faster runners who, particularly in Central Park half marathons, lap the slower runners left AND right, without regard for the lane reserved for them
      Runners who spill Gatorade without regard for the sticky mess they’re leaving for the runners behind them
      Runners who spill water in sub-freezing conditions, without regard for the slippery conditions they’re creating.
      Racers who have finished and cross the running lanes to leave the park, without regard for the runners still on the course.See More
      April 13 at 2:46pm ·
    • Dahlia Yoeli

      I agree with Amy on the corrals. They are there for the safety and convienience of the runners. I know that if I even tried going in the first corral I would probably be trampled on, or at least be a danger to myself and to those who are re…ally that fast. The corral issue is probably tied into the crashing into walkers issue in that some of the slower runners place themselves further up front than they should. I know that I said “bearable” in my last comment but I do have to agree with Janet in the sense that if the course is too crowded to get around them, then it’s not bearable. If I get lucky and there is an easy path around them, it’s annoying but not as bad.See More
      April 13 at 3:11pm ·
    • Andy Cross

      Corral enforcement is a difficult one… there’s always going to be a few runners who feel entitled to a better start position than their bib dictates, and it takes a tough marshal to stand up to such individuals. Without wanting to general…ize, your average race volunteer who’s doing to job for their 9+1 requirement is likely inexperienced in such confrontations and wants the least aggravation possible during their shift. Don’t know how you solve that one, short of having full-time NYRR bouncers on the corral entrances instead of volunteers!See More
      April 13 at 3:20pm · · 3 peopleLoading…
    • Gal CohenRunners that pass you, slot in right in front of you and then slow down forcing you to alter your pace or pass them now.

      April 13 at 3:47pm · · 5 peopleLoading…
    • Amy Lynn ShapiroGal, that was me.

      April 13 at 3:48pm · · 1 personLoading…
    • Steven la MuraWhen you are running next to someone and you can hear their keys dangling in their pockets.

      April 13 at 3:54pm · · 2 peopleLoading…
    • Joe GarlandAs to corral-enforcement, I’ll note someone on our show complained about it at Coogan’s and praised it at Scotland. Corral-assignment is complicated as to those not in the NYRR database, and it is a real problem. But these are NYRR issues that we don’t want to get into.

      April 13 at 4:06pm ·
    • Gal Cohen‎+1 on the keys.

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    • Nicole CusatoJanet, I agree with you about the several runners across groups, but I doubt people are purposely spilling water and gatorade. When you have people running a certain pace for a time goal (and who just grab their cups and go), I’m sure there’s going to be some accidental spillage that cannot be controlled.

      April 13 at 4:52pm · · 1 personLoading…
    • Douglas J DuncanI dunno Nicole. Until i get faster, i have to rely on sneaky tricks like Gatorade slicks and kicking people in the shins if i want to place better. 😉

      April 13 at 5:44pm · · 2 peopleLoading…
    • John CorporonPeople who cut street corners, especially those who then go on and race along the sidewalk.

      April 13 at 6:25pm ·
    • Carl VanderbushCorollary to the keys: the runner who was pacing right behind me and gasping for air on every breath. That’s fine in the last quarter of the race (when I’m gasping as loud as anyone) but in the first mile? You’re psychologically tiring me out!

      April 13 at 6:59pm · · 3 peopleLoading…
    • Francis KwokPeople who run 3-4 abreast

      April 13 at 7:28pm ·
    • Francis KwokAnd those who dart all over

      April 13 at 7:28pm ·
    • Shea Donato

      Definitely +1 on the corrals. It’s incredibly frustrating to watch people with a bib color that should be 3 or 4 corrals behind you jump into the corral in FRONT of you. Especially when it’s a large pack of them and I have to work my ass of…f to get around them because they also decided to pull the “let’s all run abreast” thing. Biggest pet peeve for me by far.

      And +1 to the spitting as well. Please PLEASE go over to the side of the course and spit off where no one’s going to get nailed by it. I think this happened during the Joe Kleinerman in December, but my friend and I (we always run together b/c we have a nearly identical race pace) were running somewhat staggered, and I witnessed him nearly get nailed by a woman who somehow managed to launch her spit 3 feet in his direction and nearly hit him. The look on his face and glare toward her nearly made me double over laughing, but he wasn’t too pleased.See More

      April 13 at 7:36pm ·
    • Lawrence WilkesRunners who wear an ipod during a race.

      April 13 at 7:41pm · · 4 peopleLoading…
    • Janet Gottlieb

      Nicole, I agree the water and Gatorade spilling isn’t purposeful. It’s totally thoughtless because it is foreseeable and avoidable. Part of training to run in races is learning how to grab a cup and then to drink out of it–people have va…rious strategies including carrying straws and various folding techniques.
      Other people carry handhelds because they’re not up to dealing with the water stops.
      If you’ve done the Marathon, unless you’ve been among the leaders, you’ve experienced the sticky pavement every mile.See More
      April 13 at 7:57pm ·
    • Anne Reidyperhaps have a word to the well meaning volunteers about not filling water or gatorade to the brim?

      April 13 at 8:58pm · · 2 peopleLoading…
    • Jason Dubowskipeople who walk across the finish line

      April 13 at 10:29pm · · 1 personLoading…
    • Lori Braun ‎@Jason people who walk across the finish line irks you? Suppose they are totally exhausted and if they are not walking, they might drop?

      If Gatorade spilling, etc. is worrisome in Central Park, I feel sorry for those here on NYC Marathon day. The soles of my shoes were filled with clumps of Gatorade by the time I got home.

      @Carl – a person gasping – did you ask the person if he or she was okay?

      April 13 at 10:56pm · · 2 peopleLoading…
    • Louis GonzalezI’m going to take Jason’s point one step further and say the people who immediately stop running 3 inches from the finish is annoying and unsafe.

      April 13 at 11:06pm ·
    • Gal Cohen ‎@Lori, I think what Jason means is when people get to the finish line and then just stop. Its a problem at the front and the back of the pack but more noticable at the back since it gets worse the more people cross the finish line.
      @Carl, not everybody is on the same level, I think its commendable that they are pushing themselves to the point of gasping at a race.

      April 13 at 11:12pm ·
    • Dahlia Yoeli

      There are a lot of interesting points made here. I don’t have a problem with a person walking across the finish line unless they suddenly stop running shortly beforehand without looking to see if someone is behind them. That would be unsafe…. I think that I-Pods could be potentially dangerous if the wearer isn’t paying attention to their surroundings or can’t hear the race announcement, but otherwise it shouldn’t be a big deal in my opinion.See More
      April 13 at 11:24pm ·
    • Jason Dubowskireally I am talking about people who ‘shut it down’ too early and either drastically slow down before the timing mats or those that jump on the mats and stop completely

      April 13 at 11:27pm ·
    • Gal Cohen‎@Jason, I knew thats what you meant. VERY frustrating.

      April 13 at 11:43pm ·
    • Janet GottliebAny “old timers” out there? We were in the habit of keeping moving because, before passive timing devices, racers walked, in order, to the end of an exit chute to either have their number written down or to give a “stub” from the bottom of the bib to someone who would put it on a spike, to establish finish order.

      April 14 at 6:17am ·
    • John CorporonI still run in a lot of “old time” races, which brings up another peeve of mine, passing in the exit chute. I’ll cut the inexperienced runner some slack, but I have issues with the ones who don’t pay attention or don’t seem to care.

      April 14 at 7:22am ·
    • Lori Braun‎@Janet, hate to say it, I do not think anyone on these boards has an idea what the club had to do before timing devices, etc. Less whiners back then for sure.

      April 14 at 12:27pm · · 1 personLoading…
    • Louis Gonzalezless runners too I bet

      April 14 at 12:35pm ·
    • Joe Garland

      The pre-electronic marathon had 3 independent finish lines. Each had 4 chutes (12 in total) and one timer. The chutes were about 20 yards past the finish. A rope was between lanes 2 and 3. It was held to one side or the other at the finish …so runners went either to 1/2 or 3/4. If 1 was used, tape blocked access to 2. When 1 looked to be getting backed-up, the rope man would dash across the finish to send the runners to lane 3. The tape was moved from 2 to 1 so when the rope went back, the runners went down chute 2. Etc. It was all designed so that the 100th person who crossed that finish line was the 100th person at the end of the chute, where volunteers took a strip from the number, which eventually had bar codes on them, and put it on a spindle. I was the rope man on one of lanes in the 1982 marathon.See More
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    • Joe GarlandThe five-miler the week before the marathon was then called the “Computer Run.” This was so the marathon finish process could be tested. The key was that the densest finish point in the five-miler would have volume close to that of the peak period of the marathon itself. And back then too volunteers where telling people to keep moving.

      April 14 at 2:04pm · · 1 person

Episode 26: It’s a Scottish Thing; You Wouldn’t Understand

April 11, 2011

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Joe, Amy, Steve, Brenn and Julie covered NYRR’s second club series race of the year, the Scotland Run, a 10K that covers the entire outer loop of Central Park and then some. Tales of bravery, near-pukery and other feats of derring-do abounded. Sadly, there was no bagpipe soundtrack (although the show did end with the sounds of a cat being strangled).

Steve clued us in to an upcoming panel on NYC Running Clubs, featuring members of this podcast, at the JackRabbit Sports NYC Running Show (an expo, not to be confused with this New York Running Show). And, finally, Amy talked about “the rules” — no, not those rules. The rules for proper pathway usage by cyclists and runners along the George Washington Bridge.

Episode 25: Going to Jamaica

April 4, 2011

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A little bit of background noise at the beginning as TK was on a train, stopping in Jamaica at one point, and then The Lady Vanished. Until then, however, we were Spellbound by her bringing us up to date on the Paragon Sports weekly training. TK’ll be back with a broader grouping of other running stores that have regular group-runs soon.

Amy, Steve, and Joe were on board for the duration, which centered around a discussion about whether race directors, especially NYRR, are arrogant, which comes off a post Joe did for NYCRuns, What Has NYRR Ever Done For Us? The title of the post comes from:

The consensus: it depends.

Episode 24: This Week’s Racing

March 27, 2011

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We — Amy, Brenn, Frank, Steve, and Joe — chatted about the various races done this week-end, from Frank’s adventure at FDR Park at the Mudders and Grunters 5-miler to Amy’s 15K PR at the Colon Cancer race in Central Park. With a shout-out by Steve for the inaugural Sleepy Hollow Half-Marathon.

Brenn brought up the misadventures of Charlie Engle, a participant in the Running the Sahara movie, who is now in federal prison. Joe Nocera wrote about it in yesterday’s Times. (Engle’s blog.)

Some other stuff came up as well. And a reminder, we plan a meet-up after the Scotland 10K on April 10.

Joe mentioned a movie he saw on Facebook. It is “They Came To Play.” Delightful. And interesting.

Episode 23: NYC Half

March 20, 2011

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The 6th NYC Half-Marathon is in the books. We had on-the-scene reporting from a most-intrepid TK (who did a write-up on her blog too) and on-the-net viewing by the decidedly less-intrepid Brenn and Joe. We talked about the race. Amy and Frank were on too.

Frank mentioned his afternoon Solstice 8K in New Canaan, Connecticut. Frank, who’s been known to do an ultra or two spoke about, and to some extent took issue with, Christopher McDougall’s most recent installment, Born to Be A Trail Runner.

Karla couldn’t make it, but here’s her as-it-happened stream from the press tent:

  • 7:30 a.m. They’re off!
  • 7:37 The first mile split for the men is in at 5:02. Not so fast.
  • 7:39 The first mile split for the women is 5:24. It bit faster, comparatively, for the women.
  • 7:40 Some fun facts: 36,987 people applied to the 2011 NYC Half. 12,934 were accepted, but about 9,500 are expected to run.
  • 7:48 The men’s Mile 3 split is 4:53. A bit faster, but still tepid. The women have also picked up the pace a bit.
  • 7:52 More fun facts: 5,753 runners who got into the race are from New York, the most represented state. 4,427 are from New York City. After all the brouhaha from local runners about not getting in via the lottery, that’s got to be some consolation that New Yorkers are still the biggest group.
  • 7:55 Just got word that there were 10,225 official starters today in Central Park. Which reminds me, for those who don’t know, the course follows a loop and a half of Central Park, shoots down Seventh Avenue through Times Square, across 42nd Street and down the West Side Highway to the finish at Chambers Streer and West Street.
  • 8:00 The race is still in Central Park. Marilson Gomes dos Santos of Brazil and Alistair Cragg of Ireland are leading the men’s pack. Ryan Hall was in 15th place at Mile 5.
  • 8:03 Galen Rupp fell in a little course collision along with Peter Kamais. That doesn’t happen in road running! But Rupp is bouncing back.
  • 8:05 It looks like Mo Farah of Great Britain is making a move a few paces ahead of the pack. Ah, but the pack reels him back in. Ryan Hall is 34 seconds behind the leaders. And Meb? Where’s Meb?
  • 8:08 You’ve gotta love the guys who run with the lead women and get all sorts of camera time. #681 is all over the women’s camera.
  • 8:10 The men are coming up on the Mile 8 marker and have left Central Park heading down Seventh Avenue.
  • 8:12 The men’s lead pack is about 10 runners deep. Hall and Keflezighi are missing.
  • 8:15 Mo Farah takes the lead again with Galen Rupp right behind him. The lead pack is down to about seven runners. And now Rupp makes a move!
  • 8:17 Hall is a minute behind. Farah and Rupp keep trading leads.
  • 8:18 Goucher is still running strong in the women’s pack, along with Kiplagat. The women turn onto 42nd Street, heading for the west side.
  • 8:20 Less than three miles for the men. Rupp takes the lead again in his half-marathon debut.
  • 8:22 Gebremariam and Farah reel Rupp in. Right behind them is Tesfaye Girma of Ethiopia.
  • 8:25 Gotta run outside to see the finish…
  • 8:27 Kara Goucher has fallen to fourth in the women’s race.
  • 8:30 Farah, Rupp and Gebremariam are running three abreast.
  • 8:31 Gebremariam makes a move. Farah, in his half-marathon debut is trying to catch him! He catches him!
  • 8:34 Mo Farah of Great Britain wins the 2011 NYC Half in his half-marathon debut. Gebremariam takes second with Galen Rupp in third.
  • 8:35 It’s a two-woman race coming down the West Side Highway. Caroline Rotich of Kenya and Edna Kiplagat have pulled away from everyone. And Rotich makes a move and puts some distance between her and Kiplagat.
  • 8:36 From the sideline at the finish, it looked like Mo Farah had the biggest smile on his face as he broke that tape in 1:00:23.
  • 8:38 Rotich has opened up a healthy lead. Kiplagat is in second and Kara Goucher is running third seven seconds behind Rotich.
  • 8:40 Caroline Rotich wins, Kiplagat takes second and Goucher third.
  • 8:41 Just got word that, unofficially, Keflezighi finished 15th and Hall finished 21st. Wonder if he’s rethinking coaching himself.

Episode 22: Mixed Bag!

March 12, 2011

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We were joined by guest Diane Kenna, first woman across the line in last month’s Antarctica Marathon (and a New York Harrier). Tenth overall, she was only the fourth participant from New York City. She had a good time down south, and we were glad to have her.

Then some local stuff.

  • Joe recapped local runner (Iona) Leonard Korir’s new NCAA 5000m record.
  • Brenn reviewed the elites we can look forward to seeing at next Sunday’s NYC HM.
  • Steve talked about his participation in today’s St. Patrick’s Day Run, put on by the Taconic Road Runners Club, up at FDR Park.
  • And Steve mentioned a number of races yet to be, all listed on NYCRuns.
  • Finally, and sadly, Julie gave a look back on marathoner Sally Meyerhoff’s life and career. Meyerhoff died in a cycling accident on Tuesday.

Episode 21: Coogan’s Revisited

March 7, 2011

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Ari, Amy, Julie, Brenn, and Joe joined up to talk about the Coogan’s 5K, which all but Brenn ran.

And NYRR has a video.

Julie made reference to one of her posts, in which she referred to the Cuban cyclist Damian Lopez-Alfonso, who is looking for people to stay with while he’s in New York. Details here.

Finally, Amy passed on the rumor that Jack Rabbit Sports may be opening a store on West 72nd, between Broadway and Columbus, with lockers.

Episode 20: Coogan’s Bluff and Other Stuff

February 27, 2011

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Julie, Brenn, and Joe, and for a brief period Steve, chatted about the final race of NYRR’s Thursday Night Races, at the Armory. And since we were figuratively up there, we spoke about this coming Sunday’s Coogan’s 5K, the first Club Race of the year. Secrets of the Course? We got ’em.

And what’s the state of track journalism? Brenn asked, commenting on a piece in the New York Times on a runner in Williamsburg. Brenn took particular issue (as apparently did many Brooklyn runners) with the following: “Among the first things I noticed when I started running was how few other runners I saw.” Get me Fact-Check!

And we had a bit of a follow-up on how badly runners treat cyclists in Central Park.

Next week: Julie and Joe and Amy and maybe others hope to have finished Coogan’s We’ll have their reports.